But again what i was trying to get across is by a ( purist definition a Tarot Deck ) even a Majors only consist of just 22 cards why confuse a person by adding extra cards if only to try and make their own deck look more important?
If we are to understand the Tarot structure then i think a creator should not try and confuse or add extra cards to the main purpose of a Tarot deck.
In fact i think who ever created the ( sordid lives ) should think about changing it's main definition to an oracle instead?
But 'Sordid Lives' IS a Tarot deck; there are many 'Majors Only' (only have the Majors - 22 cards total) decks out there for sale... and they are considered Tarot decks, nonetheless. By adding the additional 4 cards does not negate its 'Tarot-worthiness'! St. Agabus does not consider this an 'Oracle' deck.
No - the Fool is 'not always' numbered 'Zero' but there are 21 Major Arcana cards - AND the Fool card and the Majors are considered to historically number a total of 22 cards. The Minor Arcana is a whole different kettle of fish - some older decks have both male and female Pages and male and female Knights - which ups the decks card total considerably.
The 'Sordid Lives' Tarot is not the best example of a Majors Only deck - but it is damn funny and spot-on for matching some of the characters. I give St. Agabus a lot of credit for that! LOL!
Going back to the original, original post that launched this thread - IMHO the question tells me that the OP might not have much background in Tarot to begin with (I could be wrong - the post is short - do not wish to offend) so I question WHY they want to produce a Tarot deck if they don't seem to know much about one.
Although Oracle decks and Tarot decks are both under the umbrella term 'Divinatory' - they really are two different things and 'work' two different ways. One may speak to the Reader and one may not; some Readers feel one is better than the other for answering certain types of questions.
The only person i see here who doesn't seem to have any background knowledge of Tarot is the creator of the ( sordid lives ) a supposedly Majors only deck???
I'm sorry if you do not agree with my comments i also hope that other Tarot creator's will not follow the same route as the ( sordid lives example ) when they decide to create their own Tarot deck?
Did someone mention my name? LOL!
I find the 'Sordid Lives' Tarot quite funny and very humorous - not sure if you have some constrained idea that Tarot is supposed to be only serious and ponderous and this whimsical deck of 'Majors Plus Four' flies in the face of what you 'expect' from a deck. TGC sells a Tarot deck with octopi as it's theme - that doesn't work for me - but Brotherboy as the Star and Sissy as the High Priestess - Oh LOOSEN UP!
As Zout says in one of these posts - The Sordid Lives may not be the best example of a Majors-Only deck - and I'd have to agree with that - but I still bought a copy and find it a breath of fresh air over yet another Goth or Dragon or another Cat Tarot.
Saint Agabus (looked that up - Patron Saint of Fortune Tellers) had fun with this silly little deck; I think they knew exactly what they were doing - too bad you refuse to see the humor in it. I hope it sells a lot of copies.
BTW - Zout's other deck - 'The Phallomancy Oracle' is definately an oracle deck - it would never be mistaken for 'Tarot.'
tarotbear quote - i find the 'Sordid Lives' Tarot quite funny and very humorous - not sure if you have some constrained idea that Tarot is supposed to be only serious and ponderous and this whimsical deck of 'Majors Plus Four' flies in the face of what you 'expect' from a deck. TGC sells a Tarot deck with octopi as it's theme - that doesn't work for me - but Brotherboy as the Star and Sissy as the High Priestess - Oh LOOSEN UP!
Hmm well i'm sure being the creator of the Sordid lives whatever!!! might to you be a very funny and humorous deck for yourself, but i think you had forgotten what you explained in your earlier posts about the ( definition of a real Tarot deck ) so i guess this doesn't really apply to your deck creations here?
Trying to understand your run-on sentence ...
My two Tarot decks - The Everyman Tarot in a B/W and a Colorized version are completely Tarot decks as based on my statement in what may be my first post (sometimes I lose track of how these replys fit into the scheme of things when they pop up in the middle of a discussion when there are older posts below them ...). The OP asked a question about 'how to create a Tarot deck' and obviously did not have a lot of Tarot experience. I answered the question as best I saw fit. Whether that individual chooses to take my advice or not - or even if I decide to take my own advice is not up for you to be the Judge of, nor demand that since I said one thing that I am not allowed to make my own decisions - or changes - even if they might be contrary to each other.
Methinks thou art somewhat of a 'Tarot Snob'; I may dislike many of the Lo Scarbeo and US Games decks (Does the World NEED another Cat Tarot?), but it doesn't stop me from enjoying their many variations or permutations, regardless of my likes or dislikes. As Heather said - everyone is free to create what they may on TGC - and if you don't like a deck - no one is twisting your arm to buy it.
tarotbear quote - Methinks you are somewhat of a 'Tarot Snob'; I may dislike many of the Lo Scarbeo and US Games decks (Does the World NEED another Cat Tarot?), but it doesn't stop me from enjoying their many variations or permutations, regardless of my likes or dislikes. As Heather said - everyone is free to create what they may on TGC - and if you don't like a deck - no one is twisting your arm to buy it.
Well there will always be freedom of speech as well, and No i will not be wasting my money on the Sordid lives whatever!!!
<< Well there will always be freedom of speech as well, and No - I will not be wasting my money on the Sordid Lives whatever!!! >>
I don't recall that anyone has asked you to ... as Hamlet said:"Methinks the Lady doth protest too much."
As for myself - in this deeply impersonal world of the Internet, I have no desire nor need to have to justify what I like or do not like - or even why I may feel this way - to you or anyone else.
"some older decks have both male and female Pages and male and female Knights - which ups the decks card total considerably."
You must be speaking of the Cary Yale Visconti Tarot which has 6 court cards in each suit! I was also reminded of this same deck when reading this thread. I think mention should also be made of the Minchiate or Gemini deck which is another varient of Tarot which has about double the number of trump cards as the conventional Tarot.
There are always 22 Major Arcana cards but strictly speaking there are only 21 trump cards if you consider the Fool or Excuse not a trump. "Major Arcana" is a term coined by occultist Paul Christian and it always meant those 22 cards. The word "trump" however, which is derived from the word "trionfi" the earliest word for Tarot cards, has long been ambiguous as to whether the Fool should be included. It's similar to the ambiguity of the term "Chess piece" as to whether it is inclusive of the pawns.
As one of the apparently few American Tarot game players, I would have to disagree with Tarot cards falling under the "divinatory umbrella" because it is not the case with the French Tarot Nouveau or the central European Tarock cards.